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We have moved out of the caves. It is spring time and we have a number of options for settlement.

The caves - Easy living space and we get free refrigeration. Close to water, but some distance from the trees.
1 (16.7%)
The forest, near the river - Lots of resources and water availability. Not easy to build in and ground is uneven.
1 (16.7%)
The plains - Locate a nice flat, open space, near the woods. Easy to build on and modify, some distance from water.
0 (0%)
The coast - Follow the river down until we find the coast of whatever it connects to. Could have fishing possibilities and other options.
4 (66.7%)

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Re: RoC Community Forums Civilization Builders!
« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2012, 03:00:39 AM »
Hunting is go. The following inventions are now functioning as well:
  • Skinning
  • Cooked Meat
  • Paints - with the exception of black. We lack charcoal right now.

However, that amount of hunting is yet to provide us with much. We are 1/3 fed and only 15 of the group are out of their PJs.
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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2012, 03:39:33 AM »
Invention: Atlatl

Take stone axe and cut yourself some slightly larger lumber from branches in the forest. Now take stone knife and begin to carve off the top half of the branch down its length and cut a groove for your stone spear to fit in. Leave a nook at the end of the branch and hollow it out to allow the end of your spear to fit into. Now take this device with spear inserted into the nook and yank on the now carved branch to send your spear flying. It should go much further now which might mean you'll hit those hunting targets from a bit further away. Practice makes perfect so make sure you can get your targets hit so you can feed yourselves better.

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« Reply #17 on: May 18, 2012, 09:45:35 AM »
Spear thrower. Awesome.
We still lack fire. Someone invent it.

Status: Autumn continues setting in. We are cold. We are less hungry. We are all clothed due to increased hunting. We have several stone tools, including stone spears, and spear throwers for the hunters. We are more acquinated with the surrounding area, and have found caves into the mountains.
Technology: Basic stone tools and spear throwers.
Current Events: Several of the men and women have shown promise with the spear thrower and go out on more hunting excursions.

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« Reply #18 on: May 18, 2012, 01:03:37 PM »
Fire.
make a pile of tinder- use dried grass, leaves, and/or bark.
Find a log in the woods, and use a tool to cut a v-shaped noting in it and a small depression next to it.
Put a piece of bark under the notch
Put a straight stick into the depression- roughly two feet long
Roll the stick between your hands while maintaining pressure against the wood. Do this until you get an ember.
Drop the ember onto the piece of bark, and move it to your tinder. Gently blow on it to start a flame
Add small sticks, and gradually work up to larger pieces of wood as the fire grows.

One you have fire, you should protect it. You can use it to light sticks on fire and use that to start new fires. Shield it from the rain to keep it from going out. If it does go out, you will have  to repeat this to start it up again.
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« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2012, 04:51:11 PM »
Using stone tools, we can cut down saplings and weave them to make baskets, which allow us to forage effectively and bring home large amounts of nuts and berries.

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« Reply #20 on: May 18, 2012, 05:06:01 PM »
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Roll the stick between your hands while maintaining pressure against the wood. Do this until you get an ember.
This is almost impossible, and requires specific woods for it. The easiest way to have fire available is to find a natural fire, and preserve coals from it by periodically (several times per day) adding plant material to it. For friction, you'd do much better with a bow drill rather than attempting to do it with your hands.
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« Reply #21 on: May 18, 2012, 05:36:06 PM »
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Roll the stick between your hands while maintaining pressure against the wood. Do this until you get an ember.
This is almost impossible, and requires specific woods for it. The easiest way to have fire available is to find a natural fire, and preserve coals from it by periodically (several times per day) adding plant material to it. For friction, you'd do much better with a bow drill rather than attempting to do it with your hands.
Yes, its the hardest way, but it is doable. I researched this. I'm not going to have us hope for a thunderstorm to light a fire before we freeze to death in winter, and I made sure we could maintain it just as easily as a natural fire once we do get it going. A bow drill is easier, but we don't have those yet.
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« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2012, 10:18:14 PM »
Invention: Rope/Yarn

There are several methods to this which apply differently to the materials we have on hand. First lets start with one of the simpler methods involving plant fibers. For larger ropes you can most types of grasses if you can find it in large, long quantities. But for thinner ropes (such as those you might use for a fire bow) you'll most likely have to find finer fibers to make it from. Just look for as thin a stalk as possible for those.

Once you have your materials make sure they all go the same way and that you have them laid in a uniform thickness before you start twisting. The better you can be about keeping the uniform thickness the less trouble you'll have with making the rope. Once you have it bundled up begin twisting from both ends in different directions. The same technique applies both on the large scale as well as the fine scale, though the larger you get the more likelihood that you'll need more people to complete it. Anyway, keep twisting until you've got a fairly tight bundle twisted out. Once you've gotten it tight enough keep twisting and you'll have someone grab the midpoint and pull so that the endpoints are now parallel and being twisted in the same direction side by side. Have the midpoint holder twist in the same direction you are as you continue twisting the endpoints. Keep this up until you either run out of material for the rope or you reach the desired length. Tie the endpoints together, loop it, and knot it to make sure it doesn't unravel later. There are other methods for making rope that require less effort and can make stronger ropes, but those require tools and craftsmanship we haven't proven capable of yet. This should do for now. If this invention passes you should be able to make a fire bow now guys. We can also improve the ties on our spears and other tools to make them last longer and take a bit more abuse now that the thing tying it together is harder to break. Other than that there are like 101 uses for rope so go nuts with this one.

Now that we have the basics out of the way lets talk other materials that you can make out of rope. We just talked plant fibers, but we can also use such things as animal hair and intestine. the intestine should be fairly easy. Cut the intestine into strips; keeping it uniform should be fairly easy considering that they'll all be cut from the same length. This sort of rope will be more flexible than plant fiber typically, but will most likely have less strength and we will have less of the material on hand since it will rely on our hunting. The animal hair requires a bit more preparation because the hair must first be spun into yarn before it becomes rope. Make sure to do this on something clean like a flat rock or on top of a clean animal skin. You don't want particles getting caught up in here and tangling it up. Make sure you're taking fairly long hair, at least 2 inches in length after cutting and lay them out so they're all laid in the same direction. This can take a while. This will require a great deal of skill and practice, but if you can it is possible to clump together the hair and spin it while pulling it out of the clumped hair to form a yarn. This is very precarious and can take a good deal of time so this method is not recommended unless you need a very strong rope. Once you have this yarn spun out you should be able to make a rope out of it in a similar fashion to the other fibers. This method if done correctly can make a rope with much more strength than the other two materials. It will take a quite a bit of time so try the other two methods first to begin if possible. The yarn can form other things besides rope, so if you can learn to spin the yarn it will be worthwhile once it's mastered.
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« Reply #23 on: May 19, 2012, 05:42:48 AM »
Yarn does not pass yet, but rope does. We also have fire, and there are more than enough methods that do not require a drill at all.

Status: We are in good shape. We aren't cold and not very hungry. Autumn slowly continues. We got stone tools and weapons, we got spear throwers and we got rope.
Technology: Stone tools and spear throwers, rope and firemaking.
Current Events: Some of the hunters, while at the river, note the fish and wonder about them. Also, something stalks the group at night, from a distance.

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« Reply #24 on: May 19, 2012, 10:09:43 AM »
lumberjacking
Take a stone axe into the woods, and find a tree suitable for your plans. Repeatedly swing the axe near the base of the tree to cut it down. When the tree starts to fall over, yell "Timber!" to alert nearby people of the danger. We don't have many wasy of moving the resulting logs, so you must either select smaller trees that you can move by hand, or be prepared to utilize the log where it falls.


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« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2012, 01:18:39 PM »
We should probably leave the fish alone for now - our foraging and hunting is going to be enough. However, the big issue here is preparing for the winter. Clay is common and should be easily available to us, and we have water to make slip with. By rolling the clay into long thin tubes and then connecting them at the ends we can form rings, and stack them upon one another, then connect them with the slip (a mix of water and clay). Stacking these constructions on top of a round base will produce basic storage containers. Then we dig a pit with our tools, pile the pottery inside, pile on combustible materials and then burn them until they run out. The temperatures reached with this method are sufficient to cook the clay completely, giving us pottery in which to store supplies for the winter.

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« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2012, 02:04:26 PM »
Note on lumberjacking. We have ropes to drag so if we want the whole tree intact get some help from the rest of you and carry or drag. Very possible that you could also just cut it into smaller, more easily carry able pieces, and then carry those.

When you say yarn isn't completed, do you mean that it needs more explanation and/or tools to do it or that it's just going to take more time for them to practice?

Invention: Guards/Buddy System

There are a lot of dangerous things out there and you need to make sure you're not caught unawares. The first way to prevent this is to never be caught alone. Always go in pairs at the very least, as when danger comes for you alone you'll need help that others can't give you if they're not there. Always bring your stone spears for protection from wild animals and the like. Don't forget what I taught you about making noise and appearing threatening. Most predators will not bother with what they assume to be not worth the trouble, unless your in their territory. Make sure to back away slowly when making these noises as putting distance between you and the threat is the best method for keeping safe. If you're too close to them though, out right running might inspire them to chase and they can most likely run faster than you. Post at least two people to watch everyone else while you guys sleep depending on how easy it is to cover our shelter and watch possible entry points. Rotate this duty so no one is stuck with it for too long. It does involve staying up all night, so you might want o split it into shifts so everyone can at least get some sleep. Keep fire sources up at night so you can see your surroundings well enough to tell them apart. Sticks with animal fat/tree sap at one end can be lit on that end to allow you to carry fire with you, but be careful not to drop them as you don't want to start a forest fire on accident. It can be difficult to stay up so late at night but keep vigilant, you're protecting your family and you don't want them to get hurt by something no one saw coming.

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« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2012, 02:21:32 PM »
Using our geography skills, send some scouting parties into the mountains. With winter  coming, we will need shelter, and if we can find caves, a lot of the work will be done. You are saved most of the effort of construction, they are very sturdy, and provide protection from the elements. They tend to have a fairly constant temperature year-round, making them cool in the summer, and warm in the winter. Ideally the cave will be located close to a source of water. Make sure the cave is uninhabited, and will have room for everyone.
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2012, 03:00:14 PM »
Lumberjacking is go, and very useful to boot.
Ditto for the pottery. The description sounds correct enough and I'm willing to believe it.
Yarn issue is mainly that of refinement and focus. So far, the directives had been simple. Heck, rope is borderline problematic.

Status: We are in good shape. We have enough food and clothing for everyone. We have a number of stone tools, spear throwers and ropes. We have a small stock of woods and a few clay jugs. We have found a cave mouth up the river. Autumn is around mid-way along.
Technology: Stone tools and spear throwers, ropes, fire making and basic pottery.
Current Events: The first several watches had failed at their post by falling asleep. The stalker was identified as a large wolf.

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« Reply #29 on: May 19, 2012, 03:11:43 PM »
Would this imply that we should make efforts to advance their education so they understand us better?