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We have moved out of the caves. It is spring time and we have a number of options for settlement.

The caves - Easy living space and we get free refrigeration. Close to water, but some distance from the trees.
1 (16.7%)
The forest, near the river - Lots of resources and water availability. Not easy to build in and ground is uneven.
1 (16.7%)
The plains - Locate a nice flat, open space, near the woods. Easy to build on and modify, some distance from water.
0 (0%)
The coast - Follow the river down until we find the coast of whatever it connects to. Could have fishing possibilities and other options.
4 (66.7%)

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Anaxim

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« Reply #30 on: May 19, 2012, 03:41:40 PM »
It in fact would, yes.

More directly, it implies that you have adult children on hand. They can perform crudely now. The most trained the group has right now are the hunters, since they go about their duty on a very strict basis.

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« Reply #31 on: May 19, 2012, 03:51:42 PM »
Using our foraging expertise, fire and water, we can collect, dry and then brew tea by putting dry or fresh leaves into water and then boiling them, which will help our guards stay awake at night. It will also be useful as a hot beverage in the winter. Since we have pottery, we can make pots in which to brew the tea, as well as boil water above the fire in, and cups to hold the tea itself as it is drunk.
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2012, 04:35:38 PM »
I think it would be good to get an idea of what they don't know that makes learning some of these instructions difficult. We could teach them much, but I think I'd like to get an idea of a starting point.
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« Reply #33 on: May 20, 2012, 02:39:42 AM »
To answer Geigan's inquiry:
The group are essentially very crude adults. They comprehend what you tell them, but they don't have the lifelong experiences or formal education that allows for precision and dedication. Anything above surviving is a bit large for them right now.
In essence, many of the upcoming developments will need a base of practice.

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« Reply #34 on: May 20, 2012, 02:50:49 AM »
Invention: Practice makes perfect

Some things need dedication and hard work to learn such as spinning yarn. Not everything comes to you on the first time you try it. Some skills need development, which means you need to try them over and over again until you get them down correctly. Take spear throwing for instance, remember how you threw that spear the first time? Have you landed more or less often the more you've gotten to throw them? More often correct? You have to land these targets as often as possible so lets do this "practice" thing. We can do it when you have time while you're not hunting or creating more tools. to make sure you get fed so why don't you go find a tree and mark it with a knife. Now come back to a good distance and throw your spears at it. Now retrieve your spears and do it again... and again... and again. This may seem boring and tedious, but notice as you keep doing so, how often your spears land on the target. As you practice you'll get better and as you get better the easier it will be to perform the tasks you've practiced. This applies to almost everything you can do. You throw spears at targets regularly you'll land them on target more often and with more precision. You run every day you'll get faster and run longer. The more tools you make and the more you think about how you make them the better quality they will be. If you continue to work with the animal hair and work on pulling and spinning it you'll eventually be able to make proper yarn. So practice hard on your various skills and see how you are able to improve with time and effort. You can get quite far on practiced skill, but only if you practice!

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« Reply #35 on: May 20, 2012, 01:13:31 PM »
We have achieved training! This has several benefits:
  • Hunters have become more efficient - more food is gathered. It is now considered automated.
  • Rope making has become quicker and easier - we got more rope to work with.
  • Pottery is handled by the stable and calm - we have better pots.
  • Tools are better made - we have sturdier tools.

Status: Autumn is well on its way. We are well fed. We aren't cold. We have plenty of tools, pots, jugs and ropes. We are keeping watch at night.
Technology: Stone tools at a refined level, spear throwers, jugs and pots, fire and rope making.
Current Events: The group has split into roles, some dedicated hunters, while others are dedicated potters. Overall morale is high with the new found direction. Some worries are expressed about the winter and the blandness of meals. Bad health is on a slow rise.

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« Reply #36 on: May 20, 2012, 01:18:50 PM »
Invention: Exercise

Everyone in the group needs work their body every day, even if they are not hunting.  Without it, your bodies will slowly start to get weaker and weaker, making it hard to escape from anything that decides to chase you.  Set aside at least one hour each day for activities that will keep your body strong.  You can walk, run, lay down on the ground and sit up repeatedly, or even practice throwing spears at targets to see if you can get as good as the hunters.  This way, everyone stays as healthy and strong as possible.

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« Reply #37 on: May 20, 2012, 01:22:24 PM »
Blandness of meals? What happened to our foragers with baskets?

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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2012, 01:35:48 PM »
How will children work? Do we have to instruct them to reproduce, or will that just happen naturally over time?
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« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2012, 02:07:55 PM »
Children - well, not really sure about that.

About baskets - totally forgot to talk about them. They didn't make the cut, since weaving isn't quite as simple as just doing it. Basket weaving takes some degree of skill and instruction.
Also, foraging? Have you tried foraging with 0 familiarity with good and bad berries/roots? That's a recipe for disaster.

Exercise makes the cut. Not gonna do a status report yet, though.

As for the meals - currently all they are eating is the meat brought in by hunters. It gets boring.

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« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2012, 10:55:25 PM »
Hm. Well, clearly we need more varied food, which should also help with health.

By tying rope together in a grid-like pattern, we can make gillnets. We can tie stones to the bottom of the net, and hang the top on either hollow ceramic floaters (in the case of a shoreline net) or by running a rope across a river by tying it to trees, and then suspending the rope from that. Large fish swimming downstream become tangled in the net, then we periodically pull it out and collect them.

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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2012, 11:04:49 PM »
I think we need knots first. Take two pieces of rope, or two ends of the same rope.
Place them so they are overlapping, then twist the end of one back around the other, around to the front again. Take the two ends, and repeat this process, pushing the last end through the opening over the last twist. Pull it tight, and you have a basic knot.
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2012, 11:43:31 PM »
Considering that "tie rock to stick" was already a thing, I don't think we need to invent knots.

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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2012, 11:57:09 PM »
Considering that "tie rock to stick" was already a thing, I don't think we need to invent knots.
You can just wrap the rope around it a few times then tuck the end, which isn't  really using know.
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2012, 01:22:51 AM »
Mystify is right, it wasn't so much tie as fasten best as you can.

Also, knots + nets = fishing. So we have fishing.

Status: We aren't cold or hungry. We have plenty of tools in addition to new nets. We keep watches at night. Our group has devoted parties for various jobs, including a new one dedicated to fishing. The group tries to stay in good shape and succeeds.
Technology: Stone tools, spear throwers, fishing and hunting, fire making, rope making, net tying and basic pottery.
Current Events: The group celebrates fishes as a new source of food as well as the variance it brings. Some of them cough up a bone or two before they choke, eating a bit carelessly.
The wolf continues to watch at night, but from a slightly greater distance due to the watchmen. The chill winds of winter are beginning to be felt.