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Druid from Hell
« on: January 20, 2013, 12:33:27 AM »
What sort of class abilities would you expect to see from a 5-level "druid of the nine hells" PrC, obtainable at level 6? From one obtainable at level 11? What about from a 10-level version?

What I really need to know is... how and where can these two concepts find not only common ground, but symbiosis, and even unity?

If it helps, imagine that this is material intended for the Fiendish Codex about devils.

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2013, 12:35:54 AM »
What is the PrC's purpose

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2013, 01:26:16 AM »
I'm not really sure I understand the question.

This is what I've got for you: I am asking for the reason of academic curiosity. Up until DonQuixote commented on its seemingly contradictory nature, I wasn't really interested in the PrC in the first place, just the concept of it. Since he did, though, I am now thinking of ways to realize it. Because, apparently, some parts of my brain are still a contrary, obstinate teenager.

And now to the Homebrew board, as it seems I have no choice but to do this, now.
« Last Edit: January 20, 2013, 02:22:45 AM by Drammor »

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2013, 02:32:38 AM »
I think what bhu means is what is the reason for a druid to come from the nine hells? Or even be linked to it.

The druid is tied to nature, the flora and fauna of the (generally Material) realm. The anti-druid, in the blighter, seeks to whither and destroy these things.

The nine hells, generally speaking, don't have much in the way of nature, and nothing in general there is natural. The corruption aspect alone makes it pretty druid-unfriendly.

Basically, what aspect of the nine-hells would draw or empower a druid on a fluff perspective? And mechanically, what do you want the class to do? Change wildshaping into demonically tainted versions, much like an evil Master of Many Forms? Or force aspects of the nine hells into the environment, like a blighter focused less on enthropy and more on corruption? What were your thoughts on the class? Hard to give abilities to something we don't have a mechanic or flavor concept for.

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2013, 02:56:27 AM »
This druid of hell is initially a normal druid, but takes an aggressive or exploitative interest in upholding the laws of nature and punishing people and entities that would break those laws. A very black-hearted example of the class. It's not a blighter. It does not corrupt nature, and it doesn't bring Hell to the material plane. It reveres, upholds and enforces nature, whether on the material or in Hell.

Thinking on it, I found that the Nine Hells actually do have many parallels to the material plane's nature, and does have a nature of its own. That is intrinsically evil, and some might see it as a corruption, but to this druid, it's not corrupting at all. It's aggressive, domineering and unwavering, and those are most certainly aspects we find in our nature here.

I think I said it before. I want this class to bring together the standard features of the druid with the qualities of Hell and its inhabitants. Find where they have common ground, where they have the potential for synergy, and where they can combine into a single union of concepts. Still a druid, but most certainly not a fluffy bunny. It needs to be darker and edgier. :D

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2013, 12:37:07 PM »
You might check out the Talontar Blightlord, although it might have more of a focus on the specific disease Blight than you'd like.

A Planar Shepherd could also work...

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2013, 12:54:24 PM »
So sort of an 'exterminate the humanoids and get nature back to nature' sort of guy?

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2013, 03:15:59 PM »
It is stretching things, but hey fluff is do-able.

Social Darwinism ... is lawful evil.
It's a Dog Eat Dog world, and I like it.
Rooster fighting , or Bull Fighting , could be RL ports.

The 9 Hells have flora and fauna ... it ain't called Iron Chef for nothing.
Have you ever tried Malbolge-an Mountain Goat?
Ferment the milk, make some cheese, boil some Lemure sauce, roast it on an open Hell-fire.
Mmmm !!  Dee-lish ; any Druid that don't like that, is a softy.

Oh you gotta problem with me treating Lemures like that?
Come on, they're part of nature too, and that's their purpose.
Quick death by Demon in the Bloodwar, or improving the schemes of the Devils?
Oh I see what side you're on ... (slice!)
[smack] ... it doesn't bother you there are soo soo many demons in this multiverse?!
I miss the BG_Baby's +1 Rattle of Cuteness pic, already ... (sniff)

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2013, 03:35:39 PM »
+1 planar sheperd

Also this: youtube- beck

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2013, 03:56:33 PM »
I think I said it before. I want this class to bring together the standard features of the druid with the qualities of Hell and its inhabitants. Find where they have common ground, where they have the potential for synergy, and where they can combine into a single union of concepts. Still a druid, but most certainly not a fluffy bunny. It needs to be darker and edgier. :D

The big problem I see here is that a druid isn't just about nature, it's also about balance and equilibrium(that's why they have to be partially neutral), while Hell (and the Abyss for that matter) is about extremes.

Really you may as well be asking for a "Pacifist of Acheron", "Arcadia Anarchist", or a "Shadowbringer of Pelor".
« Last Edit: January 20, 2013, 04:01:06 PM by oslecamo »

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2013, 03:58:27 PM »

So sort of an 'exterminate the humanoids and get nature back to nature' sort of guy?
... or like Smith torturing Morpheus, except Smith is the "good" guy.


PhaeXY's link trends toward NE, so be LN before.
Blightmind on the spawn, is more flavorful than Thrallherd.



It is "balance", to have a Vow Of Peace dude,
yapping at a couple of armies squaring off,
on Archeron, the Plane Of War.  Curses, foiled again!
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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2013, 04:04:06 PM »
'nother 9 Hells + Druid idea.


Of course you remember that little +1LA Divine
Minion a certain Kobold used to go overdeity.
That's Egyptian / Mulhorandi and the bbeg(-od)
Set has a realm on the 5th layer.  So there should
be a bunch of Druid-esque somethings, running
around that area anyway.
I miss the BG_Baby's +1 Rattle of Cuteness pic, already ... (sniff)

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2013, 11:49:04 PM »
So sort of an 'exterminate the humanoids and get nature back to nature' sort of guy?

Nothing like this sort of guy. Just a druid who adopts the precepts and the spirit of Hell in their defense and enforcement of the natural laws, especially in punishing criminals against nature. Sort of like a hardcore lawful neutral druid, except evil due to their spiritual sympathy for Hell. This is, of course, an intentional exception to the druid's standard neutrality.

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2013, 02:02:33 AM »
It seems to me in that light it'd be significantly more true to concept as a hardcore LN druid, rather than stretching to hell, especially the punitive aspect. The evil aspect appears to be a throw-in, it's functionally irrelevant to the concept as the PrC has nothing to do with the ecology of Hell(for that, see Malbolge and it's aspects of corrupt growth and consumption), nor the hierarchy of Hell(druids already have a power source, nature or nature gods, thus power is not drawn or expanded from diabolic contract) nor the principles of tyranny, malice and torment.

So what that shows to me would be two possible paths to take it down:
1) Malbolgian Druid, a terraforming specialist with an interest in making nature and civilization alike closer to the Infernal ideal, of all life being predatory in nature, of the superiority of the hierarchical food chain, culminating in Hell and it's Lords at the very top.

2) Militant druid, requires Lawful, but removes the partial neutral alignment restriction in exchange, allowing the individual druid to go to extreme evil or good in his zeal. It'd specialize in identifying and combating despoilers of nature, as well as the toppling of civilization at the expense of it's ability to embody nature as effectively(Wild Shape essentially doesn't expand, lose some casting progression in exchange for spell list expansion, etc).

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Re: Druid from Hell
« Reply #14 on: January 21, 2013, 06:12:50 PM »
Huh, yeah. 
Make it 9 levels long (because its the "9" Hells).
Add a level based list of Devils, to Druid Summoning.
Devil Traits.  1/2 the damage on spells, can be Hellfire.
Stick some thematics of the various levels on there.
No Wildshape advancement covers any over-doing.
Spells like Fireball , Forget , Cause Disease , Poison.
Climb your speed at level 6 for Malbolge.
etc
I miss the BG_Baby's +1 Rattle of Cuteness pic, already ... (sniff)

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